$1000 NL Hand
This is a $1000 NL hand from today. It is four handed, I have $1835 in the SB.
UTG with $3855 stack raises to $35, the button with $2445 stack calls the $35. I have A
A
and raise to $154 from the SB. The BB folds as does UTG. The button who has me covered with over $2000 calls my reraise.
I know absolutely nothing about the buttons tendancies.
The flop comes 824.
This is a good flop for my hand. I lead for $240 here into the $354 pot.
He quickly reraises to $720 bringing the pot size to $1314.
What now? I have $1446 left behind, he has me covered. Call? Raise? Fold?
Thoughts in comments. Action tomorrow.
UTG with $3855 stack raises to $35, the button with $2445 stack calls the $35. I have A
A and raise to $154 from the SB. The BB folds as does UTG. The button who has me covered with over $2000 calls my reraise.I know absolutely nothing about the buttons tendancies.
The flop comes 8
24.This is a good flop for my hand. I lead for $240 here into the $354 pot.
He quickly reraises to $720 bringing the pot size to $1314.
What now? I have $1446 left behind, he has me covered. Call? Raise? Fold?
Thoughts in comments. Action tomorrow.
posted by TillerMaN | 12:01 PM
20 Comments:
Ok, i'll have first go.
I'd say 'it depends' a lot on the read/notes you have on the button. Does he cc on the button w/ 88 or reraise. And does he cc w/ 44/22. A lot of players would RR 88 (esp 4 handed) leaving only 44/22 to worry about. Ok, just re-read and see you say you have no reads on his play.
However, I think my line in this situation would be to call with the intention of check raising the turn all in. Any turn bet by the button of 2/3 pot would commit him to call and gets most value from bluffs, slowplayed hand like JJ/TT/99 and 89 etc which may fold to a push.
Barring the flush draw there are no draws out there, 56 gives a double gutshot, so I think I would be happy to give a free card.
No doubt I’m missing something but thought it good to put my thoughts down anyway. Looking forward to your discussion on the action tomorrow.
Regards
MrSpeed
bluff, overs, fd, stdraw, 99+ > set
ai
pokerstove baby
There are so many draws I think you have to pay off 88/44/22 here especially 4 handed. Your move looks like a continuation bet of a standard squeeze so you don't look especially strong given what I know of your re raising tendencies. It is a bit worrisome that you have the Ah which eliminates the possibility that he has Axh but even without that there are just too many draws.
Push AI.
By the way we miss your expert analysis in HU v UD matchups in war3. When can we expect more?
i was kinda split on calling/raising until i realized you were out of position. considering that, you might as well just push.
it's four handed and like others said, there are a lot of drawing hands which could be attempting a semi bluff here. overs and a fd really stick out especially if he thinks you can rr there preflop with a hand like 99.
there is also the possibility that he's playing a hand like 99,tt+, although i feel like he may have rr'd himself pf.
if you were in position i'd say call since he basically did the raising for you. if the turn came good (probably even if it didn't) you can easily call a push by him, or put him allin yourself if he checks, hoping to see an overpair or a draw.
however you're oop, so i'm inclined to say push. maybe with more information on the player, in a full ring game, and on a drier flop could you get away from this. with it being 4 handed and 5/10 you're probably ahead more often than behind given the action.
can you coach me buddy?
playhard@dailyquiz.ch
Cmon - you arent giving enuff info. Was this a uk/euro site? Do you know where the player comes from? Is he multi-tabling? If there is any evidence that the guy knows what he's doing, I fold. If he's overplaying something you will eventually gat his money (unless someone else does..)
If I think this is a standard donk from somewhere in England, I'm just trying to work out whether pushing or calling is best. If he has a combi draw of some kind, pushing doesn't gain anything, but if he has TT or something a scare card might lose him on the turn. Prob pushing is best as if my assumption is correct about donkish tendacies, he will call with an overpair (I've actually seen KK played this passively pre)
He was Scandinavian and that is only other info I have =)
Villian imo is doing this even without a monster draw. His range definitely includes the sets, but I think his range of this raise is really wide. You also have a "blocker" with the ace of hearts, so that gives you a redraw against turned flush.
The thought process behind this is that villian cold called you very lightly preflop, maybe even any 2 low connectors. So it's very likely he's on some type of draw and the board isn't that connected for 2P possibilities.
Disclaimer: I'm nowhere near good enough for $1000NL and play mostly full-ring $25NL for the sole purpose of funding my videogame habit.
Button's range includes overpairs 99, TT, JJ (does JJ usually come over the top of a reraise at these limits?), overs with a flush draw (does KhQh call the reraise here?), sets, the double-gutty with 5-6 (with or without hearts), and 6h 7h, and given we have no read whatsoever on the button, I suppose there's a chance of maniac-air.
My tendency here would be to push. Pay off the set, make any heart draw pay, give any 99+ hand a tough decision. At my limits, 99, TT, and JJ are almost certainly paying me off here, as are many players with naked 8's, which makes the push the best option by far.
Against more aggressive players, the fact that I hold the Ah, which limits the button's FD+overs holdings pretty substantially, makes me give a call-CR line (presuming a safe turn) some consideration. But here, I probably need a read to suggest that the button will have a random 8, or air, here, a non-trivial percentage of the time before I commit to that kind of high-variance line.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that even against very aggressive players at a short table, a call-cr line is too risky, because even with a safe turn, I really hate giving a free card to the FD here, even if I feel there's a good chance the FD will continue a semi-bluff on the turn. We're OOP and in a very tough spot if a heart comes on the turn - can we call a shove? We don't have the pot odds if we're sure he's made the flush, but it's a very tough decision, and opens the door up to our being outplayed.
I say stick it in. All heart draws are priced in and give us good EV, and a 99 or TT here will be as spooked by a call as they will be by a raise. That's with my disclaimer in mind: I'm used to playing against calling-station donks that are constitutionally incapable of folding an overpair.
lol @ people worrying about going broke against a set.
he has a much wider range here, especially since we are OOP and is raising with a lot more hands.
a raise folds pretty much everything that we beat (i.e. all one pair hands) everything else, including some combo draws (depends on villain) call our push.
id call here and re-evaluate on turn, with the intention of getting it in.
also, seeing that we raised OOP and he is also unknown, I doubt that he ever pays us off here with hands like TPTK or even 1010.
I thought you played much higher limits Tillerman. You had a big losing session?
I play 5-10 to 25/50. If I feel like playing lots of tables I do 5/10 and 10/20. If i feel like doing 2 or 3 or 4 or heads up I do 10/20 or 25/50.
call, ck/raise all in any non heart on turn!
82% equity vs his range on the flop
I would push it, your risking that 1500 to win the same ammount.
If he just folds 50% of the time it will be immediate profitable.
If you dont know nothing about the opponent he might have alot of shit here calling on the button.
And he might have the same reason to think about your hand an might call with QQ, KK and you dont know what else since he might be a total donk.
Note: I see you say he "quickly" raises your flop bet.
Does this have an impact on your decision? i.e. does the button not think how to extract most value with a set and thus take a little longer to raise.
Ok, probably thinking too much into it. Maybe timing tells don't play such a part at 1000NL.
MrSpeed.
Fold is out of the question.
If you push the only thing that calls you is a set or maybe a KQh type hand. You're not as worried about giving a free card since you hold the Ah so he's drawing to 8 outs if he has a KQh or QJh type hand. Against an unknown I go broke with this all day as you're pretty far ahead of his range.
I'd call the flop bet and probably check call the turn to get more value from a 99,TT,JJ or weirdly played QQ type hand. A donk on the turn is the same as raising the flop all in.
Haven`t read the other replies. I think I fold this. I think he is holding a set, and trying to increase the pot, since you are almost 200bb deep. He could also have 56s, but I think a set is more likely. Also, we can`t just call, cause we will not be any wiser on the turn. It`s either a coinflip, or we are way behind.
kind of a weak lead, no?
i like to call here and c/r turn allin or call a shove
i dont really like folding on a heart turn here because u have the Ah
your flop lead strikes me as really weak though.. any specific reason for that?
usually when someone leads that weak it gets raised by a lot of pairs / draws.. which u are in good shape against, so calling is good here?
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also i dont give much credit to the quick reraise
probably a weaker hand u have dominated a lot but thinks it might be good on this board given the weak lead
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