WCOOP Event 3
I did pretty good in this Omaha event. I was chip leader a couple of times but faded towards the end. 8th place was $15900. In WCOOP Event 4 tonight I only managed to win my first heads up match and then got 89 on TJQ board vs someones AK. Too hard for me not to go broke there.
posted by TillerMaN | 10:08 PM
8 Comments:
Good job Tiller, I didnt even know you played Omaha ..
Nice score.. saw your name when I logged into pokerstars.
"Too hard for me not to go broke there."
Are you suggesting that there are circumstances under which a better player would have folded 89 on a TJQ board heads-up?
That'd just be a horrible, horrible fold under almost any circumstances. Unless you're up against the single worst player in the entire world and you know for a fact that you can win 80+% of the time without ever committing yourself to a pot. And that player doesn't even exist.
Why would you imply that any good+ player could ever fold there?? Am I just misreading?
GRAts TIllERFACE
post more pictures of ur fucking baller house though
"That'd just be a horrible, horrible fold under almost any circumstances."
There are situations where one can not fold and still not go broke. I don't think he's saying it would ever be correct to fold, but if one is in a position either to call a huge bet on the river, or to push, there could potentially be situations where calling is the better choice, even with a hand as strong as the bottom end of a straight.
If faced with an all-in bet here, clearly it's correct to call and go broke. But if faced with, say, a huge overbet on the river that's, say, half to two-thirds of your chip stack, with a dead-on read, it's not a sure thing that a top pro doesn't find a way to avoid going broke. In a situation where only a few hands can beat you (and in his situation, there are what, 28 specific hands?)
Tiller could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what he's implying is, given the right circumstances, or different variables in how the hand could potentially play out, there are a few (though certainly not many) ways that one could potentially avoid going broke. Maybe not how the hand played out (since we don't know), and certainly not most of the time, but it's conceivable.
I really just can't imagine that.
Given preflop action, the AK raises a vast majority of the time. That increases the stakes of the postflop action. And in these heads-up matches you're not exactly deepstacked from the beginning.
After that I just can't imagine any situation in which you could possibly convince yourself that you've got the worst hand, with any flopped straight. Optimally you'll be committed to the pot before any big scares show up, and you just have to go broke.
And the fact of the matter is, there are at least 15 premium hands that your opponent would play with equal strength, only two of which beat you and only one of which ties. If you're looking for a better spot than THAT to put all your money, you have to be playing dangerously tight. Like a 10 on the richter scale, red lights alarm sounding money-spewing tight for a heads-up match.
Though I guess I can see how, once in a blue moon, you'd be in a good situation to tailor the postflop play to get enough into the pot for a huge chiplead without going completely broke against a player you have little respect for. I guess.
I agree that it would be super rare, and in a heads up tournament, probably pretty much impossible. But I'm just thinking of a hand like Negreanu's full house against Hanson's quads on HSP S2, where Negreanu made a raise that obviously represented obscene strength and Hansen answered it by coming over the top. Even though there were only something like 10 total combinations of cards that beat him, he thought about it for a long time before finally calling. Imagine if Hansen had had a stack equal to Negreanu's, and made the same raise (not all-in). You think Negreanu, or any pro, would have come back over the top?
That's a cash game, of course, not a tournament, but a tournament with a sufficiently slow structure could allow for a hand to give that much information away without all the chips already being in the middle.
He played very bad this hand,sorry,the hand was Tillerman on bb,the villan call,he bet,the villan re-raise,what kind of hand you call after re-raise?AA,KK,AK,QQ,JJ.Tillerman call,flop TJQ,tiller bet,villan raises,he call,turn Q, in my opinion
he had a full-house or AK, villan bets ,tiller check-raise all-in.Tough decision
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